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The Difference Between Medical School And Graduate School
Ben Ferguson -- Everyone always argues over whether graduate school or medical school is harder, or more difficult, or more tiresome. Everyone. If you’re not currently arguing over it at this very moment, you’re totally missing out.
Some say the former is far, far tougher; it comes in like a lamb, has its lion phases here and there, and then exits more or less like a lamb again depending on the niceness of one’s thesis committee and the degree of copying-and-pasting of one’s previous journal articles. Some feel that the latter, by its sheer time and physical demands and by its ubiquitous emotional toll, is far, far tougher; then they become interns and laugh it off. Some say that each is difficult in its own right, that each is physically and intellectually demanding in ways and over time periods different from the other.
Regardless of which is actually harder (for the record, at this point in my career, they’re about equal in my book), there are most definitely some black-and-white differences between the two:
1. Each has schedules to follow and places to be. It’s just that in medical school, you’re expected to be somewhere at a certain time of the day, but in graduate school, you’re expected to be somewhere at a certain time of the decade.
2. No one cares what you look like in graduate school. No one cares when you arrive, or how much progress you make, or how inattentive you are toward others, so long as you get your work done in a reasonable amount of time. (This all goes out the window when your advisor walks in.) In medical school, your appearance matters very much, both to attendings and to patients. You must arrive on time, make strides in making patients feel better (or at least act like you’re trying), and always be cordial to them.
3. The “DOOR CLOSE” buttons in hospital elevators actually work. In other educational buildings, not so much. (Isn’t it fascinating, though, that we always try? Apparently the variable ratio reinforcement is too engrained in us to ignore.)
4. In graduate school, you worry about the lives of worms and mice and rats and immortalized microscopic fragments of tissues that were intact decades ago. In medical school, you worry about the lives of humans, which is slightly more stressful.
5. Neither medical students nor graduate students are particularly well-versed in dressing well. They may even be known for their inability to dress well, or to even dress appropriately for the conditions or given situation at all. In this department though, medical students totally dominate. Graduate students are completely hopeless for the most part, but that’s okay because no one ever sees them anyway. (I’m not in any way excluding myself from this group, either.) Note to future graduate students (and future medical students for that matter): Black pants + black shoes + white, pilly, holey socks (+/- publication(s) +/- international awards +/- bubbly personality) = immediate rejection. Write it in your lab notebook so you don’t forget it.
6. In graduate school, you often spend entire days transferring liquid from one tube to another, perhaps after waiting for the liquid to thaw, and then adding some other liquid(s) to the tube, and then adding the mix to some other receptacle. If you’re lucky, you get to invert it several times, or if you hit the jackpot, you pipette up and down. Your life is liquids, receptacles, and vectors to get the first into the second. Amazingly, the final outcome of this fails more often than not, and you must redo everything several times. In medical school, depending on the service, you often spend entire days transferring liquids from vials to patients, removing pooled liquids from patients, observing liquids (and solids...ooh!) that patients excrete, measuring pressures of liquids, and writing stuff down about all of them.
7. The most common question you’re asked as a medical student, by far, is, “What are you going to go into?” (I have no idea.) The most common question you’re asked as a graduate student, by far, is, “When are you going to be done?” (Never?) or, if you’re also a medical student, “What were you thinking?” (At times, I wonder that myself.)
March 10, 2008 in Ben Ferguson | Permalink
Comments
Great post! You capture the MD/PhD split perfectly. And no, I won't tell you which was harder for me.
Posted by: David Loeb, MD, PhD | Mar 10, 2008 8:46:19 PM
Good one. I appreciate how you've painted science and medicine as two cultures. Wait until you get back on the wards... Do I give the lay summary of what I devoted the last five years of my life to? Is there any chance my new peers will care about that one discovery that may or may not get published this decade? In the end, we're all just different blocks in a giant paint-by-number canvas. No matter what we're wearing. It's too bad that not enough people step back to take in the whole picture.
Yes, Yes... I know hat you're thinking: he's just old and cynical. Catch me on a different day and I'd probably say something else. Hopefully...
Posted by: Thomas Robey | Mar 10, 2008 9:51:57 PM
From my own experience, one big difference is that you can usually easily take a break from pipetting to go get coffee, lunch, etc. with little or no repercussions. Hell, we would often go drink beer at lunch, and who cares? As long as your work is progressing, there isn't usually anyone standing over you scrutinizing your every move. Also, you don't have the pressure of knowing that when you are done, other people's lives will be in your hands. Sure there is pressure and stress in running a lab, but not life-or-death kind of responsibility. Lastly, I know graduate students work hard, but I've never met a graduate student who worked more than 50 or maybe 60 hours a week, and many I've met managed to be in the lab less than 40. Compare that to medical school's workload and internship/residency schedule with call and everything and...well, makes me wish I had gone to grad school instead sometimes!
Posted by: Jake | Mar 11, 2008 4:45:58 PM
Today I've decided to defend graduate school. Tomorrow... who knows?
Jake, the reason you've not met a graduate student who worked more than 50 or maybe 60 hours is, well, they're still in the lab. The last year of my graduate work I logged more than 80 hours a week about every other week, and for a while, worked every day for 3 months in a row. My lab was inactive for all but 4-5 hours of the day. It is a common misconception among medical students that grad students don't put in the long hours. Medical school with its well-defined schedules was a break for me. Showing up is half the battle in medical school. It's not a requirement in graduate school, but I wasn't about to roll the dice with my project. Hard, grey hair-inducing work is all that got me through in time to get back to the wards before I turned 30...
Posted by: Thomas Robey | Mar 11, 2008 5:16:30 PM
I think that you summed it up beautifully with one comment:
"in medical school, you’re expected to be somewhere at a certain time of the day, but in graduate school, you’re expected to be somewhere at a certain time of the decade."
Whether or not the hours are more grueling in medical school, or the stakes and stress lever higher, I think there must be a certain special kind of dread to not knowing if your results are EVER going to work out.... and a special skill to SELF motivate yourself through years and years of painstaking, probably repetitive research.
Not for me! I am going MD all the way - I don't have the temperament for the other half of that very exclusive qualification!
Posted by: terry | Mar 12, 2008 3:49:06 PM
Both are difficult and rewarding, but the structures are fundamentally different. In medical school, you are done by passing a defined set of courses, looking good to your instructors, and doing your patients some good (or no harm, at least). Graduate work is unique in that you have to negotiate your way out; there is no set endpoint. You have to formulate a semi-original work and convince your committee that you've "arrived."
Posted by: Marco | Mar 13, 2008 1:03:19 AM
Both are difficult and rewarding, but the structures are fundamentally different. In medical school, you are done by passing a defined set of courses, looking good to your instructors, and doing your patients some good (or no harm, at least). Graduate work is unique in that you have to negotiate your way out; there is no set endpoint. You have to formulate a semi-original work and convince your committee that you've "arrived."
Posted by: Marco | Mar 13, 2008 1:05:07 AM
I think that in the long run the largest difference is life after graduate or medical school. After medical school, there are great prospects for many different paths (if you can't find your favorite flavor of specialty, there is always general medicine), and it is likely that what I have been told tongue-in-cheek is true: there are no unemployed physicians (for lack of jobs).
On the other hand life after graduate school can be a lot more uncertain, particularly if your choice of graduate studies is not in high demand, and even more so if you find yourself overqualified after going the doctoral route and finding that companies would prefer to higher folks with fewer credentials so that they can pay them less. I know a Neurobiologist with a PhD who is now marketing a family gourmet recipe because she couldn't find a job in her field.
There are also considerations of sex, particularly in the sciences. Even in modern times where many of us don't even think about any struggles for equal rights, I hear from professors that there is still a lot of discrimination against women who choose a life of research--it's harder to prove your worth. One well-established professor at my college blankly told an undergraduate student "women don't belong in science."
In medical school I think that with so many women coming on board (it's almost 50/50 her in the U.S.) that hurdles are more equal. Opportunities for women in medicine appear to be fairly strong, particularly in certain areas like family medicine and gynecology where women may be in even greater demand.
Posted by: Bea | Mar 18, 2008 4:41:20 PM
Forgive the spelling; I appear to not be able to edit... for the record:
higher = hire
50/50 her = 50/50 here
Posted by: Bea | Mar 18, 2008 4:46:20 PM
Hello, I am not sure which side I fall on, and perhaps I missed this part of the discussion - but I am sure age is a variable in med school v. grad school. When you are younger you seem to have more energy and drive and as you approach middle age your energies and focus get split.
I have read stories of second career MD's and PhD's and find it compelling that in your 40's and 50's you can still keep up with the "kids", as it were.
Posted by: Eric | Mar 23, 2008 11:57:32 AM
im a medical student and i've witnessed the life of doctors in the hospital. i' myself have experience during our clerkship training. i can say that becoming MD is immeasurably difficult. awake at 24 hours just to attend to patients, joining the morning and afternoon conferences, doing rouds everyday is really really a BIG DEAL, in which somebody in graduate school never experiences it
Posted by: indira | Mar 29, 2008 6:57:06 PM